Donnie gave me a tour of some of the antique engines that will show at the Antique Engine Show for Buckeye Oktoberfest Saturday, October 12th at the Buckeye, Arena, 802 North First Street or Miller Road in Buckeye, Arizona. Redd Stanberry and Donnie Gideon not only work together at Arizona Gin Supply but are extremely knowledgeable and passionate collectors and mechanics of antique engines. Donnie Gideon says Redd’s been collecting anything that could spit at you since the late 1960’s. They even restored a 1914 Dempster windmill. Like any collector, Redd and Donnie not only like to get old engines running but also see how slow they can run, it is a THING with antique engine collectors.
Since cast metal engines weigh several tons, Redd and Donnie make custom steel carts with wheels on the bottom with a handle to pull.
Currently on the lift are Sta Rite’s twin engines, one from 1908 and the other from 1926 both 3 horse power. 110 years ago they were in the factory together coming out at the same time which is pretty rare to find. These Sta Rites are highly sought after because they are really well built engines. Racine was a company around in 1906. The company moved from Racine to Lacrosse so they only made a few engines. They folded under soon after moving to Lacrosse. There is a registry that collectors refer to that confirms they were in business and made only 100 engines. “When we got the engine, we tore it apart and have been rebuilding some things that were a little messed up”, says Donnie.
Sta Rite Engine built in Racine, Wisconsin
Gertrude is the nick name for a rare Sta Rite from 1910. Many collectors seek this cast metal rarity. Donnie says she has a clutch pulley used to engage a belt and run a corn grinder, water pump, drill or whatever early pioneers needed to use.
Red and Donnie call this Sta Rite “Gertrude”
Gertrude runs off a magneto which means it has it’s own box that creates a spark, kind of like an alternator in your car. This is one of the first magnetos ever made. Originally it wasn’t built right. “It took us about 2 years to go through it with some help from other mechanics to figure out how to make it work right”, said Donnie. Redd found ways to improve it without messing with the engine. There is only one other like Gertrude and it is in Oregon. They are so rare, there is no paper work on these.
1909 Waterloo Boy
Redd has an engine that is pre John Deere. John Deere bought out the Waterloo Boy Tractor Company in 1918 in Waterloo, Iowa. Alot of these companies didn’t necessarily make their own engines. One company would make the engine and sell it to other companies which would slap their own label on the engine and sell it. These photos just don’t do these engines justice. You must go to the Antique Engine Show October 12th at the Buckeye Arena. Gates open at 9:00 a.m.
Its all about hit-miss engines when you talk to Redd Stanberry, Bill Lanier and Donnie Gideon. What is a Hit-Miss-Engine and why are antique engines important to Buckeye? Redd Stanberry was born in a little ol’ town called Bovina which was the head quarters of the XIT or ten counties in Texas. The XIT Ranch was a super big rail head at one time. When the rail head moved from Kansas City, the next stop was Bovina, population 1,404 and one REDD. “I had the run of the place.” said Redd. Redd moved to Buckeye in 1964 and later started Arizona Gin Supply in 1973. From a little town like Buckeye, we build gins in Africa and China. “We tear’m down and re-build gins, put them in containers, send them to Long Beach and they get shipped all over the world” explained Redd. Donnie Gideon was mentioned in the previous segment.
Bill Lanier Jr. is originally from North Carolina and moved to unincorporated Maricopa County near Buckeye in the late 1970’s. Bill’s family lives and works along Citrus and Perryville where they operate a 2 and a half acre Dragonflye Farms raising miniature livestock. Bill has a total of 17 antique engines. In between working on the farm, Bill gives Redd and Donnie a hand.
Most engines were built between 1900-1925. People started getting electricity in the late 20’s and most rope pull 2 and 3 cylinder motors just went to the wayside. “Anytime we can save an antique engine now, it is like saving a piece of the past”, said Redd. The rural areas were the last to get electricity, farmers would belt up an engine to run whatever piece of equipment they needed to run, like corn grinder, water pump or a generator. Back in the day, you had one or two engines that would run everything via the belts. Today, everything has its own engine, from a weed eater to a chain saw. In the early 20’s, the tractors came out with a clutch pulley on the side of it. When the farmers got through farming at the end of the day, they could pull it up, put the belt on the clutch pulley and have a portable engine.
Redd Stanberry at Cafe 25:35 Buckeye, Arizona.
Redd has one of the bigger antique engine collections in Arizona. He remembers buying an engine from a guy who told him,”My grandfather bought this engine and I had to promise him I would never sell it. ‘Don’t ever sell that engine cause I am not sure this electricity is here to stay.’ ” Eventually he had electricity and they bought a electric motor to put on the milking machine and he said, “Back in the teens the electricity wasn’t that reliable so people hung onto the old ways for a while. Once they figured out they could buy a 5 horse power motor the size of a bowling ball and not have one the size of a coffee table, that changed their minds.”
At one time, Buckeye was just cotton fields everywhere! They used to pick all the cotton by hand at about 20 pounds per day. Thanks to Eli Whitney ,the cotton gin was invented the late 1700’s. Buckeye and Goodyear both grew cotton for Goodyear Tires. At one time, all tires were cotton cord instead of steel belts and there was a big cotton supply here. They had people coming from everywhere because it was all hand picked at the time. Goodyear Tire executives would visit the Wigwam to look at the cotton farms. When I asked why Buckeye doesn’t make anything with the cotton these days, why do we keep shipping it out? Redd said “There is nobody that spins cotton in the states anymore. Most of the mills are oversees. We just can’t compete with the Labor costs.”
Picking Cotton in Buckeye, Arizona
Buckeye Oktoberfest Engine Show
Bill Lanier Jr. will be bringing an actual mini cotton gin to the BuckeyeOktoberfest Engine Show. Bill says, “We will be ginning cotton with a replica 10 saw gin from the early 19 to the 20’s. Today’s modern gins have up to 204 saws!”
Why is this Engine Show important? “To show people what really happened in the past, we want to show people how we got to where we are now. There are lots of things we wouldn’t have today if we didn’t have those engines.”, replied Redd. Donnie added that television and social media have distorted history so much that kids have no idea what real history is anymore. Tom Trainer of Arizona Early Days Gas Engine & Tractor Association has been instrumental in organizing all the antique engine collectors to participate in the upcoming October 13th, 2018 Engine Show in Buckeye.